Time for some more creationist bashing. I am preparing a post on the evolution of antifreeze proteins in Notothenoid fish. However, there is also something else interesting about this group.
Let’s see people draw their own conclusions.
Fact 1: All vertebrates have genes for haemoglobin (see fact 3).
Fact 2: 16 species of Notothenoids do not express haemoglobin. (the only known vertebrates without haemoglobin)
Fact 3: 16 species of Notothenoids do not have any functional haemoglobin genes.
Fact 4: 15 of these species have no beta haemoglobin gene and retain a shortened form of the alpha gene.
Fact 5: The remaining species (Neopagetops isionah) has two non functional pseudogenes for beta haemoglobin. One contains only part of the 3rd exon and is very similar to the same fragment of the closely related and haemoglobin bearing Dragonfish. The other pseudogene is closely related to that of other Notothenoids.
Your conclusion ladies and gentlemen: Evolution or creation?
A more technical account can be found here.
Fundies, it may be worth bearing this in mind:
Hebrews 6:18 “God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged."
But, then again, maybe not….
Let’s see people draw their own conclusions.
Fact 1: All vertebrates have genes for haemoglobin (see fact 3).
Fact 2: 16 species of Notothenoids do not express haemoglobin. (the only known vertebrates without haemoglobin)
Fact 3: 16 species of Notothenoids do not have any functional haemoglobin genes.
Fact 4: 15 of these species have no beta haemoglobin gene and retain a shortened form of the alpha gene.
Fact 5: The remaining species (Neopagetops isionah) has two non functional pseudogenes for beta haemoglobin. One contains only part of the 3rd exon and is very similar to the same fragment of the closely related and haemoglobin bearing Dragonfish. The other pseudogene is closely related to that of other Notothenoids.
Your conclusion ladies and gentlemen: Evolution or creation?
A more technical account can be found here.
Fundies, it may be worth bearing this in mind:
Hebrews 6:18 “God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged."
But, then again, maybe not….
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”
Ooops!
Maybe that means that you can’t trust any of the bible. The evidence above exists despite what your book says about it.
7 comments:
Sorry, but what is the difference between beta haemoglobin gene and just haemoglobin?
Oh, and God wasn't lying, He was just testing us.
Haemoglobin is a general term. The protein is made up of 4 different polypeptides. They are encoded by several different genes. There are also some pseudogenes. In human fetuses, the molecule is made up of two forms called alpha and gamma (2 of each). This binds oxygen slightly more strongly than the adult form (made of two alphas and two betas). This is because the fetus has to compete with the mothers haemoglobin. As small percentage (2.5% in adults is made of 2 alpha and 2 delta proteins).
They are great evidence for human common ancestry with apes. Might make that my next post
Thanks Billy
You forgot option three: evolution, creation or an incompetent deity.
Unsurprisingly I'm going to go for evolution as being the answer.
The creationists have another problem. If they believe that their god doesnt deceive, then this looks loke evolution, not creation.Therefore, their god didn't do it. Now their tiny minds will have to deny that this is what you would expect from evolution
Way to go Bill.
I always knew when we were sitting in Geography that your fishtank would come in handy.
But really, "Notothenoids", you don't have to make fish up. ;)
I was just hanging in there but with a quick graze of the interlawn, I see what you mean.
Now their tiny minds will have to deny that this is what you would expect from evolution
And deny they will do :-)
Lee
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