The “argument” from design is basically nothing more than saying god did it. We often see strawman arguments comparing things like bicycles, that we know are designed, but don’t acquire mutations that are passed on to their offspring where they are selected with examples of organisms, which do accumulate and transmit selectable mutations. No matter what you say to a creationist, he will just say “ah well, that’s just the way god made it”. They can never predict how it would be. One piece of evidence for evolution is the existence of homologous structures in groups of organisms. These are structures built on a similar “blue print”. The classic example is the vertebrate limb, where the different bones can be identified in various structures from flippers to wings. Creationists of course claim that this is the work of a common designer and not the result of common decent. A problem in consistency then arises when you point out analogous structures (those that perform the same function, but are structurally different; the classic examples being the wings of birds and insects. Surely then the creationist should argue that this is then evidence of more than one designer – the problem of course is that they only believe in one god and pull an answer out of their assess like “god made it that way for a reason”, which really isn’t an answer at all. Using their straw man analogy further, the person (more accurately people) who designed your computer did not design the seat you are sitting on. Why then should we assume fish have the same designer as earthworms or palm trees? The creationist response of course is that their god did anyway – no evidence, just an assertion.
Although the planet “allows” life, it is not exactly life friendly. Life has many problems to solve – too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too much oxygen, not enough oxygen etc…. Sometimes we see different species “solve” the same problems in similar ways. Would we then not predict that a designer should engineer in the same solution?
Previously I posted on the loss of haemoglobin genes in ice fish as an example of evolution over a long period of time. These fish have another interesting adaptation; they produce antifreeze molecules. There are two unrelated group at either pole that produce nearly identical antifreeze glycoproteins (AFGPs). These are the northern Arctic cods (superorder Paracanthopterygii) and the Antarctic Nototheneiods (superorder Acanthopterygii). These proteins, which bind to and prevent the growth of ice crystals, are based on repeats of the amino acid sequence (threonine – alanine (occasionally proline)- alanine)n. The sugar galactosyl-N-acetylgalactosamine is covalently linked to each threonine in the repeat sequence. There are several forms of the molecules that vary in the number of repeats of these three amino acids, but they are all encoded by the same gene: there are sites in the protein that are later processed to produce AFGPs of different lengths. So, here we have two unrelated groups with almost exactly the same protein serving the same role – creationists must be cumming in their pants at this point.
However, if we look at the structure of the genes, there are significant differences. To recap, (eukaryotic) genes are composed of exons (that appear in mature RNA sequences) and introns (which do not encode for proteins and are chopped out of mature protein encoding RNA (which links protein encoding instructions from DNA to proteins). The gene from the Arctic species Boreogadus saida contains 3 exons (E1-E3 of Bs3-1 Figure1), whereas the gene from the Antarctic species Dissostichus mawsoni contains only 2 (Dm3L).
Another interesting feature is the sequence of an area called the signal peptide (this directs the newly synthesised proteins to particular areas in a cell). These are totally different – as can be seen from their single letter amino acid sequences.
One final difference is the actual gene sequences themselves. There is more than one way to code for most amino acids, and the sequence threonine – alanine – alanine can be encoded by the sequences (codons) ACA, ACT, ACC or ACG for threonine and CGA, GCT, GCC or GCG for alanine. What we find is that the codon usage is different in the two different genes. B. saida uses the codons ACA/ACT (45%/42% for Threonine)-GCA/GCG (51%/30% for the first Alanine and GCA/GCG (53%/37% for the second Alanine). D. mawsoni uses ACA (85% for Threonine)-GCG/GCT (39%/55% for the first Alanine) and GCA (95% for the second Alanine). Basically, the sequences are different suggesting a different origin. This similarity in protein sequence is an example of convergent evolution.
The original publication can be found here
One final problem for creationists is that a prediction of evolution is that genes arise from ancestral genes, so we should not be surprised to find a candidate and a putative mechanism for the evolution of these proteins. Guess what creationists, for D. mawsoni, the ancestral gene is trypsinogen. Part of this gene and the control regions seem to be duplicated. Not only that, a 9 nucleotide sequence encoding the threonine – alanine – alanine repeats appears to have been further duplicated (mechanism). This is detailed here.
Oh yeah, and all this is corroborated by paleontological and geological studies concerning the appearence of these fish and the timing of the opening up of the polar oceans.
And the creationist response? That’s right, “my goddidit!” No predictive model to test required – just a bronze age book of superstition.

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God did it. :-)
Hey Billy. Hope you don't mind me dropping in. I read the article. Now that I'm done drooling and piecing my brain back together, I'd like to ask what you think of this article. (In it's entirety here)
As Dr Davies reports in the Public Library of Science, however, that is not what seems to have happened with at least one piscine antifreeze gene. He and his colleagues analysed the antifreeze of diverse species and found that three—herring, smelt and sea raven—have nearly identical antifreeze proteins, even though they do not share a recent common ancestor. The chance of such similar proteins emerging in unrelated species is so vanishingly small that the team propose another option. They think the genes for antifreeze proteins jumped from one species to another.
If this is the case and this "gene jumping" is true, then isn't it a total waste of time on tracing the ancestry of fish? Of course, if this isn't the case then I'll be on my way! Before I go...
the problem of course is that they only believe in one god and pull an answer out of their assess like “god made it that way for a reason”, which really isn’t an answer at all
Why not?
CF-
"the problem of course is that they only believe in one god and pull an answer out of their assess like “god made it that way for a reason”, which really isn’t an answer at all
Why not?"
Because it has no explanatory power. It doesn't help increase our understanding; it in fact closes off enquiry.
Hi ER,
You've got me there good and propper :-)
Hi CF,
You are most welcome to pop by. The article itself seems interesting, but too vague to comment on directly. I'll try and find some published wok by the guy on the subcjet. The main problem I can see is that he is only talking about the proteins and not the genes. As mentioned in my post, two different genes can give rise to essentially the same protein, so I will need to wait to see the gene data.
The idea of gene swapping is entierly plausible, and happens all the time in bacteria. I do know of at least one example of gene swapping amongst animals: some tape worms have acquired genes for rat growth hormone. As for a mechanism, viruses could also mediate the transfer, but we would need to see the genes first.
The other possibility is that a similar gene has evolved independantly. Imagine a particular mutation gives a 1% advantage, natural selection can hone this and improve the advantage. If there are certain structures that work best, then we would not be suprised if NS can shape things that way (with in reason of course.
Hope that made sense - I' just had some blood taken for an experiment and feel a bit light headed at the mo - now it's off to the burger van of death to load my blood up with fat before getting some more taken.
Why not?
Partly what jonathan says and partly for the reasons given concerning the strawman nature and inconsistencies of the design arugement. Even if you accept design, you can still draw no conclusions on the number of designers.
It is however the predictive and testable nature of the evidence that is its main strength. Evolution predicts and tests, creationism just say afterwards "that's how god would do it". Evolution can always be shown to be false. The fact that it hasn't been refuted in 150 years and is going strong is testimony to this.
Excellent... dare I say the best yet?
If I keep reading your blog I reckon one day I could fool someone that I know stuff about biology and things :-)
CF Now that I'm done drooling and piecing my brain back together
You and me both... it's the long words that got me.
Physics tries and keeps things simple :-)
ER God did it. :-)
You can't argue against that.
No, wait... :-)
Lee
I agree with Lee - someday I might pretend to have knowledge of biology. I really should have taken it at High School, as well as done actual science at university instead of "Computer Science" :-)
Chris: **quickly pulling finger out of nose**
BILLY: Hope that made sense
What? You were talking to me? I lost you at "potato".
LEE: You and me both... it's the long words that got me.
Those were words!! I thought he was just running his finger back and forth on the keyboard with an occasional 'comma' or number thrown in for effect.
Jeez. It's no wonder so many of us are Christians. This science stuff is hard.
Those were words!! I thought he was just running his finger back and forth on the keyboard with an occasional 'comma' or number thrown in for effect.
Ah, rumbled.
Feel free to ask if anyone wants clarification of something.
I find this a lot easier than physics
Nice yo see you have a blog now Havok
What we find is that the codon usage is different in the two different genes. B. saida uses the codons ACA/ACT (45%/42% for Threonine)-GCA/GCG (51%/30% for the first Alanine and GCA/GCG (53%/37% for the second Alanine). D. mawsoni uses ACA (85% for Threonine)-GCG/GCT (39%/55% for the first Alanine) and GCA (95% for the second Alanine).
Is this what you do for a living? :confused & impressed:
It would be far too easy for you to post something here that would fool us all completely...
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